Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/01/2023 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:00:31 AM Start
09:01:08 AM Presentation: Alaska's Municipalities - Post Covid Update
10:18:03 AM Adjourn
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Presentation: Alaska's Municipalities - Post
COVID Update by Nils Andreassen, Executive
Director, Alaska Municipal League
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       March 1, 2023                                                                                            
                         9:00 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:00:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  called the Senate Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 9:00 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Nils  Andreassen,   Executive  Director,   Alaska  Municipal                                                                    
League; Senator Cathy Giessel.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA'S MUNICIPALITIES - POST COVID UPDATE                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop discussed the agenda.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA'S MUNICIPALITIES - POST COVID UPDATE                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:01:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NILS  ANDREASSEN,   EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR,   ALASKA  MUNICIPAL                                                                    
LEAGUE, introduced himself. He  referenced a conversation he                                                                    
had with a  school principal the previous  day regarding the                                                                    
lack  of  housing  and  childcare.  He  pondered  that  most                                                                    
communities were trying  to determine how to  meet the needs                                                                    
of residents  that positively contributed to  the future. He                                                                    
did not people  to be in a position to  have to go elsewhere                                                                    
because of  the lack  of housing  and childcare.  He thought                                                                    
the  work in  front of  the  government was  to address  the                                                                    
issues and work together to make for a positive future.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:03:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.    Andreasen   discussed    a   presentation    entitled                                                                    
"Strengthening Local Governments" (copy  on file). He looked                                                                    
at  slide  2,  "Looking  back,"  which  showed  a  graphical                                                                    
timeline. He  relayed that he  had been in his  position for                                                                    
five years,  which had been  eventful. He mentioned  a court                                                                    
case in  his first year  that had opened up  the opportunity                                                                    
for remote  sales tax. [In  2018, the United  States Supreme                                                                    
Court  ruled in  South  Dakota v.  Wayfair  that states  can                                                                    
mandate  that businesses  without a  physical presence  in a                                                                    
state with  more than 200 transactions  or $100,000 in-state                                                                    
sales collect and  remit sales taxes on  transactions in the                                                                    
state.]                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  continued  that  in 2018  AML  worked  with                                                                    
others  to  establish the  Alaska  Remote  Seller Sales  Tax                                                                    
Commission   (ARSSTC).  In   2019,  local   governments  had                                                                    
considered a  proposed budget from  the governor  that cost-                                                                    
shifted almost $1 billion back  to communities. He mentioned                                                                    
the  Covid-19 pandemic  in 2019,  and  the Coronavirus  Aid,                                                                    
Relief, and Economic Security (CARES)  Act. The governor and                                                                    
legislature   had   distributed   $586  million   to   local                                                                    
governments to  make communities whole. He  noted that local                                                                    
governments   were   still   reporting  on   and   following                                                                    
guidelines for the funds.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen cited  that in 2021 the  American Rescue Plan                                                                    
Act (ARPA) was  initiated, which had resulted  in $1 billion                                                                    
going to local  governments around the state  to continue to                                                                    
respond to  the economic effects  of the pandemic.  He noted                                                                    
that  AML had  been  supporting efforts  in compliance  with                                                                    
reporting to  the United States Treasury.  He identified the                                                                    
passage of Infrastructure Investment  and Jobs Act (IIJA) in                                                                    
2022. He  explained that AML  and partners had stood  up the                                                                    
ability to  provide technical assistance to  communities. He                                                                    
thought  the communities  had to  some  extent gone  through                                                                    
economic recovery,  and with the  passage of IIJA  were more                                                                    
focused  on the  infrastructure deficit.  He noted  that two                                                                    
years previously AML had identified  the deficit to be about                                                                    
$30 billion for local governments.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:06:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen   spoke  to  slide  3,   "Remote  Sales  Tax                                                                    
Implementation,"  which showed  a  bar  graph depicting  the                                                                    
growth of  the sales tax  collected over the  previous three                                                                    
years.  He mentioned  ARSSTC and  thought there  had been  a                                                                    
substantial improvement  since the start of  the program. He                                                                    
cited  that  46  out  of 106  communities  participated.  He                                                                    
continued that  AML provided the  services to the  ARSSTC to                                                                    
collect the sales taxes on the communities behalf.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  noted that  over $2 million  had come  in in                                                                    
the previous month.  He expected that more  than $20 million                                                                    
would come  into communities over  the year. He  thought the                                                                    
amount sounded  like a lot and  reminded that it was  only a                                                                    
portion  of the  over $240  million that  was collected  for                                                                    
sales tax  for local governments  and the over  $2.5 billion                                                                    
that local governments collected for  a variety of taxes and                                                                    
other revenue streams.  He thought the remote  sales tax had                                                                    
been  important  and  had a  replacement  value  during  the                                                                    
pandemic when  sales taxes had  declined. He noted  that the                                                                    
remote sales  tax varied, constituting a  5 percent increase                                                                    
for  larger  communities  and  as   much  as  a  20  percent                                                                    
increase.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  thought the remote  sales tax  was important                                                                    
for many  communities and would  continue to grow.  He cited                                                                    
that other  communities did not want  to participate because                                                                    
of  not  wanting to  see  additional  tax on  residents.  He                                                                    
considered  the  tax  as  leveling  the  playing  field  for                                                                    
businesses in the community. He  expected to see improvement                                                                    
in the program.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:09:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked what the remote tax was.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  explained that he was  discussing the remote                                                                    
sales   tax  collection   that   was   possible  after   the                                                                    
consideration  of  the  Wayfair  case,  in  which  the  U.S.                                                                    
Supreme court ruled  and opened the opportunity  of a remote                                                                    
sales tax.  The slide showed  monthly collection for  the 46                                                                    
communities that participated in the program.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked if the  tax was on internet sales, or                                                                    
other sales.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen explained that the  tax was for mostly online                                                                    
sales but  could be for any  sale in the community  in which                                                                    
the seller was  not physically present. He  noted that there                                                                    
had  been  three  key  features in  the  Wayfair  case  that                                                                    
allowed for the remote  tax collection: streamlined, single-                                                                    
level, and  statewide. He explained  that Alaska  was unique                                                                    
in  the  nation in  not  having  a  state tax  but  allowing                                                                    
communities to tax. There was  a single platform for sellers                                                                    
to remit taxes, which was  managed by AML. He continued that                                                                    
AML   remitted  the   taxes   back   to  the   participating                                                                    
jurisdictions. He  discussed the streamlined aspects  of the                                                                    
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:11:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson  asked if  the  ring  fencing situation  had                                                                    
improved.  He used  the example  of Palmer  and Wasilla.  He                                                                    
thought some  people that  should not  have been  taxed were                                                                    
being taxed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen replied,  to some  extent.  He noted that the                                                                    
AML  and   ARSSTC  provided   all  sellers   with  GIS-coded                                                                    
jurisdictional boundaries that they  were used. When sellers                                                                    
used what was provided,  there was appropriate ring fencing.                                                                    
When  the sellers  used  their own  system  and zipcode,  it                                                                    
could  be problematic.  He thought  most of  the issues  had                                                                    
been  worked through  for most  communities.  He noted  that                                                                    
ARSSTC   had  developed   processes   for  refunding   where                                                                    
inappropriate taxation had occurred.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Andreassen  referenced   slide  4,   "Federal  Funding                                                                    
Coordination," which showed the  logos of organizations that                                                                    
AML had  partnered with in forming  an Alaska infrastructure                                                                    
coordinating  committee  in  light  of ARPA  and  IIJA.  The                                                                    
committee  hosted  the website  akfederalfunding.org,  which                                                                    
was  a  clearinghouse  for non-profits,  businesses,  tribal                                                                    
governments, local  governments, or  anyone to  find current                                                                    
grant opportunities,  compliance and  reporting information,                                                                    
and guidance on resources  for infrastructure funding. There                                                                    
was a  tracking system  for funds  that had  been identified                                                                    
broadly for  the state  but not  for distributed  funds that                                                                    
had  come  into the  state  upon  award. He  continued  that                                                                    
ultimately  AML worked  with  partners  to ensure  maximized                                                                    
benefit  of  federal  benefits to  Alaskan  communities.  He                                                                    
highlighted that the  group met every other  week to discuss                                                                    
barriers,  opportunities,  challenges,   and  ways  to  work                                                                    
together to  get information out  to eligible  recipients of                                                                    
the funds.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  asked about the density  of information that                                                                    
was  getting   out  to  communities  from   the  centralized                                                                    
information website.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen thought  there was still work to  be done. He                                                                    
noted that  the website  was originally designed  to respond                                                                    
to ARPA,  and the  group had really  good density  using the                                                                    
website as a  one-stop shop.   He relayed that the group was                                                                    
still   going  through   ARPA  compliance   with  the   U.S.                                                                    
Department of  Treasury, with annual  reports due  in April.                                                                    
The group would  be reaching out to all  communities to make                                                                    
sure  reports were  in. He  thought  the two  infrastructure                                                                    
symposiums that the group had  helped to cohost the previous                                                                    
year had helped with the  information density. He noted that                                                                    
there were about 2,000 people  that had signed up for weekly                                                                    
email  updates. He  thought  the second  of  the five  years                                                                    
would  require  being  more intentional,  particularly  with                                                                    
more disadvantaged  communities and  those that had  not had                                                                    
the resources to participate effectively in the program.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:16:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen turned to slide 5, "Back to Baseline":                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     FY23                                                                                                                       
     •  Full  funding  of  Community  Assistance,  including                                                                    
    recapitalization of the Community Assistance Fund.                                                                          
     • Full  funding of  School Bond Debt  Reimbursement and                                                                    
     Harbor Debt Reimbursement.                                                                                                 
     •  Back payments  of  Community  Assistance and  School                                                                    
     Bond Debt Reimbursement, which  will allow for deferred                                                                    
     maintenance,  avoided   property  tax   increases,  and                                                                    
     general support                                                                                                            
     •  $3M increase  to Community  Jails, which  helps with                                                                    
     continued services by these municipalities                                                                                 
     • Harbor Matching Grants    a great partnership between                                                                    
     the State and local governments.                                                                                           
     •   Funding   for   school   construction   and   major                                                                    
     maintenance                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     FY23 a corrective for underfunded years                                                                                    
     • Placed communities on firm footing for recovery                                                                          
     •  Address  deferred  maintenance,  workforce,  capital                                                                    
     needs                                                                                                                      
     •   Enable   consideration   of  matching   funds   for                                                                    
     infrastructure bill                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      "AML welcomes  an FY23 budget that  offsets the fiscal                                                                    
     constraint  that Alaska  has had  to endure  these last                                                                    
     few  years,  leverages  federal funding  for  a  robust                                                                    
     capital  budget, saves  for  the  future, and  provides                                                                    
     relief to  Alaskans. The UGF spending,  on average over                                                                    
     these  last four  years, is  below budgets  from before                                                                    
     Alaska's fiscal crisis, as is total spending."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen thanked  the committee  and the  legislature                                                                    
for  full  funding  for the  Community  Assistance  Program,                                                                    
including   recapitalization.  He   mentioned  school   debt                                                                    
reimbursement  and harbor  funding. The  chart on  the slide                                                                    
was from  the Legislative Finance Division  (LFD) and showed                                                                    
that  there were  ups and  downs each  year. He  thought the                                                                    
previous   year   was   corrective   for   many   years   of                                                                    
underfunding, and  he hoped for  improvements to  ensure the                                                                    
items were funded.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  considered slide 6,  "Cross-Cutting Impacts"                                                                    
which  showed a  pie  chart depicting  projects affected  by                                                                    
supply  chain  issues, and  a  line  graph depicting  annual                                                                    
components of  Alaska population  change. He  commented that                                                                    
rather than  the infrastructure funds being  a windfall, the                                                                    
state was addressing a  long-term infrastructure deficit. He                                                                    
thought  it was  true that  inflation was  cutting into  the                                                                    
ability to  make the most  of the benefit. He  cited getting                                                                    
weekly  emails regarding  increased costs  for projects.  He                                                                    
mentioned  supply  chain   issues,  which  impacted  project                                                                    
deployment,  specifically for  public  transport, water  and                                                                    
wastewater  and other  basic infrastructure  investments. He                                                                    
mentioned the  state's population and demographics,  and how                                                                    
outmigration was affecting education and the workforce.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop mentioned low birth rates.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:19:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen displayed  slide 7,  "Economic Development,"                                                                    
and mentioned  challenges to  communities. He  mentioned the                                                                    
importance  of  housing  and childcare  in  the  efforts  of                                                                    
maintaining  a  workforce. He  informed  that  AML hosted  a                                                                    
housing taskforce,  which had been  looking at a  variety of                                                                    
things  including data  collection.  The  group had  drafted                                                                    
recommendations  for  potential  local, state,  and  federal                                                                    
actions,  which he  would  touch  on in  a  later slide.  He                                                                    
commented  on  lack of  housing  as  a barrier  to  economic                                                                    
development and  wanted to ensure  AML was at  the forefront                                                                    
of trying to address the  matter. He continued that the same                                                                    
was  true for  childcare  and appreciated  the  work of  the                                                                    
Alaska  Chamber of  Commerce and  United  States Chamber  of                                                                    
Commerce  had   done  in  evaluating   the  impact   of  the                                                                    
 childcare  desert  in  Alaska. He  referenced $175  million                                                                    
lost  to  the  states   economy   because  of  the  lack  of                                                                    
affordable childcare. He discussed  impacts on families, and                                                                    
summarized that  housing and childcare were  two significant                                                                    
priorities for AML members.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  discussed AML and the  statewide municipal                                                                    
processes. He asked if there  was a discrepancy in municipal                                                                    
codes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  shared that AML  was building a  database to                                                                    
track who  was utilizing the  powers for zoning  and various                                                                    
codes. He  identified the goal  of a comprehensive  data set                                                                    
to  work to  address  with the  legislature  and others.  He                                                                    
noted that  AML had  not gotten  to the  level of  detail of                                                                    
codes, but was working  on identifying which communities had                                                                    
codes in place  that were having an impact.  He commented on                                                                    
the incredible  variety between communities. He  shared that                                                                    
AML was working with  the Alaska Housing Finance Corporation                                                                    
(AHFC)  to  list   a  suite  of  best   practices  for  code                                                                    
development to share with municipalities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:23:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  highlighted slide 8, "Land  Use, Subdivision                                                                    
Code, Economic Development," and  noted that AML members had                                                                    
been  polled   about  experiences  with   housing  including                                                                    
rentals, sales, and  affordability. An overwhelming majority                                                                    
had identified  with the topics as  challenges. He continued                                                                    
that AML was  looking at whether current  statute gave local                                                                    
governments  all  the  tools needed  to  address  land  use,                                                                    
subdivision,  access,  development,   and  broader  economic                                                                    
development. He  acknowledged differences  between home-rule                                                                    
governments and  first/second class cities and  boroughs. He                                                                    
listed important  topics for  communities, such  as blighted                                                                    
properties, accessory apartments,  density and rezoning, and                                                                    
short-term  rentals. A  team of  local government  municipal                                                                    
officials were exploring the subject further.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  shared concerns related to  University and                                                                    
Alaska  Mental  Health  Trust Authority  (AMHTA)  lands  and                                                                    
subdivisions.   He   thought    there   were   added   local                                                                    
requirements   for  subdivisions   that   added  costs.   He                                                                    
mentioned the transition of  long-term rentals to short-term                                                                    
rentals,  which displaced  Alaskans  and created  challenges                                                                    
for  incoming workers  and  made it  difficult  to hire  and                                                                    
retain employees. He identified  Sitka, and local zoning and                                                                    
planning issues.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:26:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wilson  wondered   if   AML   was  helping   local                                                                    
municipalities  with  property development  impediments.  He                                                                    
wondered if  AML was helping municipalities  break away from                                                                    
traditional  models  to  help   the  housing  situation.  He                                                                    
mentioned subdividing properties.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen thought that the  Housing Task Force hoped to                                                                    
address  the   ability  for   local  governments   to  share                                                                    
information.  He  relayed  that   AML  had  paid  particular                                                                    
attention  to   short-term  rental  issues,   and  mentioned                                                                    
software partners and heat  maps for multiple jurisdictions.                                                                    
He  thought  most  local  governments  did  not  have  codes                                                                    
developed  to provide  guidance  and respond  to short  term                                                                    
rental  activity.   He  noted  that  AML   was  providing  a                                                                    
consultant to  communities to advise  on what  was happening                                                                    
nationally. He mentioned state  versus local requirements in                                                                    
reference  to  subdivisions  in  utilities  and  access.  He                                                                    
described that  there was  a period  when the  state changed                                                                    
how  it approached  allowing  local  governments to  require                                                                    
utilities  and access  within  a  subdivision. He  described                                                                    
lowering of property values over  time and disruption within                                                                    
residences.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:30:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen looked at slide  9, "State Action - Housing,"                                                                    
and noted  that the Housing  Task Force had  identified some                                                                    
items  for consideration.  He noted  that  he would  address                                                                    
land  conveyance at  a later  time. He  thought maybe  there                                                                    
needed to  be a  different approach  and available  funds to                                                                    
support local  governments to address access  and utilities.                                                                    
He  cited  that  most  other  states  had  a  state  special                                                                    
committee  on housing,  and thought  it  was something  that                                                                    
could be  recommended to the legislature.  He mentioned AHFC                                                                    
and  ensuring it  had all  available tools  to help  address                                                                    
housing shortages and affordability.  He shared that AML was                                                                    
happy  to participate  in further  conversations to  discuss                                                                    
how   the   Housing   Task  Force   had   arrived   at   its                                                                    
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop handed the gavel to Co-Chair Stedman.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  addressed slide 10,  "Economic Development,"                                                                    
and discussed land conveyances. He  thought there had been a                                                                    
bill  proposed by  the governor  to  get  Alaska lands  into                                                                    
Alaska  hands.  He  thought there  should  be incentive  for                                                                    
economic development. The slide showed  a table with some of                                                                    
the larger  communities with  entitlement lands.  He thought                                                                    
there  was still  a significant  gap in  entitled lands  and                                                                    
what had been approved.  The difference between patented and                                                                    
approved lands was  one of ownership. He  cited survey costs                                                                    
as a barrier.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked if the chart showed acres.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen thought  the table used acres.  He offered to                                                                    
come back with additional information.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  referenced Mr. Andreassen's  comment about                                                                    
survey costs  and thought sometimes surveys  were redundant.                                                                    
He  mentioned a  state land  entitlement in  Petersburg, the                                                                    
perimeters of which  had been surveyed by  the United States                                                                    
Forest Service.  He thought going through  the process could                                                                    
identify some items for clarification.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:34:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl asked  if there  was  a backlog  or delay  in                                                                    
selection for land entitlements.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen relayed that all  the information did not fit                                                                    
on  the   slide.  He  offered  to   provide  the  additional                                                                    
information at  a later time.  He identified that  there was                                                                    
still some issues with selection,  and there were additional                                                                    
layers of approval that were not demonstrated on the slide.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  addressed  Co-Chair  Stedman's  point,  and                                                                    
explained  that almost  all of  the land  had been  surveyed                                                                    
originally. He thought that  local governments were required                                                                    
to  survey  prior to  approval,  which  was duplicative.  He                                                                    
acknowledged  that  surveys  were incredibly  expensive  and                                                                    
were adding to the barrier of the lands being developed.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  pondered that if  there was a  survey good                                                                    
enough to transfer  the lands to the state,  the same survey                                                                    
would  be  good   enough  to  transfer  the   lands  to  the                                                                    
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman handed the gavel to Senator Bishop.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen advanced to  slide 11, "Workforce Recruitment                                                                    
and  Retention," which  showed three  graphs with  data sets                                                                    
relating  to  Public  Employees'  Retirement  System  (PERS)                                                                    
employees and  rates of pay  for state and  local government                                                                    
workers  compared with  private industry.  The graph  on the                                                                    
upper right looked at the  reduction in Alaska public sector                                                                    
workers since  2012. An  additional graph  considered active                                                                    
PERS and  Teachers  Retirement System (TRS)  employees since                                                                    
FY  11, that  found  roughly 2,000  public sector  employees                                                                    
reduced  over the  period. He  reminded  that the  reduction                                                                    
also impacted  birth rates and  lower contribution  rates to                                                                    
retirement programs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  referenced  an   Institute  of  Social  and                                                                    
Economic  Research (ISER)  study reflected  in the  chart on                                                                    
the right,  which indicated that generally  Alaska kept pace                                                                    
in the public  sector versus private sector.  For most cases                                                                    
for most  types of  employees, the public  sectors  benefits                                                                    
matched up  with the private  sectors ability  to compensate                                                                    
except in  two areas. He  looked at the number  of vacancies                                                                    
experienced by local governments,  which averaged 15 percent                                                                    
to as  much as  50 percent  in the  areas of  management and                                                                    
professional  services. The  two areas  of local  government                                                                    
employment  did  not  compete with  the  public  sector  for                                                                    
compensation or benefits.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:38:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked if Mr.  Andreassen could provide more                                                                    
information on  employee retention  issues in the  state. He                                                                    
thought  the state  was struggling  with employee  retention                                                                    
throughout the  state and in  schools, as well  as competing                                                                    
with private enterprise.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen   agreed  to   follow  up   with  additional                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen   looked  at   slide  12,   "Pension  System                                                                    
Considerations":                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Update to 2008 floor: move forward / rolling average                                                                     
     • Termination studies for State and by employee (+                                                                         
     evaluate vacancy rates)                                                                                                    
       22% a cap not a floor - $10 million for 1% (non-                                                                         
     State   employers)   -    Increase   additional   state                                                                    
     contribution                                                                                                               
    • Retiree hiring ability without accrued liability                                                                          
     • Exit strategy for small or stressed employers                                                                            
     • Five-year audit of terminated employer net pension                                                                       
     liability                                                                                                                  
     • Adjust high interest rate (11-15%) on past due                                                                           
     payments                                                                                                                   
     • Locked in net pension liability option, ability to                                                                       
     pay down, and exit date                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  summarized that  any  changes  to the  PERS                                                                    
system should address system,  employer, and employee needs.                                                                    
He  mentioned that  actuaries were  looking  at a  four-year                                                                    
time horizon for  catching up the pension  system, and cited                                                                    
that two  years previously the  2008 floor was  costing non-                                                                    
state  employers  more  than $1.5  million.  He  thought  it                                                                    
seemed  like the  system should  be responsive  enough to  a                                                                    
rolling average to reduce the  employer burden. He discussed                                                                    
termination studies,  which he thought made  much more sense                                                                    
for  all employers  and could  be tracked  by employees.  He                                                                    
thought it  was important to  think about how  vacancy rates                                                                    
impacted projections.  He cited that AML  members had passed                                                                    
a  resolution   the  previous   year  that   encouraged  the                                                                    
legislature to  consider the 22 percent  as a cap but  not a                                                                    
floor.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  considered that for  every $10  million, the                                                                    
state could buy down the 22 percent by one percent for non-                                                                     
state  employers.  He  specified that  the  calculation  was                                                                    
based  on  the chart  at  the  bottom  of the  slide,  which                                                                    
reflected the ARM  Board having a choice to  put $60 million                                                                    
into the health plan, with  2.5 percent added to the overall                                                                    
actuarial rate.  The board had recommended  zero percent. He                                                                    
calculated that  if one took  out the states  64  percent of                                                                    
payroll, it was possible to buy  down 3 percent and make the                                                                    
contribution   19  percent   for  non-state   employers.  He                                                                    
reminded that the  state had the ability to  do so currently                                                                    
and mentioned  the state having  its own rate  after passing                                                                    
SB  55  [legislation passed  in  2021  that removed  the  22                                                                    
percent cap on payroll  contributions to PERS]. He mentioned                                                                    
an additional state contribution.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:42:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen continued  to address  slide  12 and  shared                                                                    
concerns  about the  ability of  employers to  hire retirees                                                                    
without  carrying  accrued  liability,   as  well  as  other                                                                    
challenges.  He  relayed that  AML  had  advocated for  many                                                                    
years for an exit strategy  for small or stressed employers.                                                                    
He  mentioned that  of  the total  number  of employers,  77                                                                    
employers made up  1 percent of the  overall annual payroll.                                                                    
The   employers   were   generally  those   that   requested                                                                    
termination  studies,  were   delinquent  on  payments,  had                                                                    
arrearages, and could not afford to get out of the system.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen addressed  the last  three bullets  on slide                                                                    
12. He mentioned a high  interest rate on past due payments.                                                                    
He  reiterated  the  challenge for  employers  to  exit  the                                                                    
system. He noted  the original date of 2030  for paying down                                                                    
pension  liability,  which had  been  extended  to 2039.  He                                                                    
cited that  just for one jurisdiction,  the nine-year change                                                                    
resulted  in a  cost of  $25  million extra,  even while  it                                                                    
reduced the states   obligation by $300 million.  As long as                                                                    
there  was   a  net   pension  liability,  there   would  be                                                                    
additional contributions borne by all employers.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:45:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought there were many  issues to address                                                                    
on  slide 12.  He referenced  ongoing discussions  regarding                                                                    
the 22  percent funding  cap for municipalities.  He thought                                                                    
if  the state  could move  its unfunded  liability down,  it                                                                    
would be  possible to  move the  cap down  to 20  percent or                                                                    
lower  and provide  relief for  communities.  He thought  it                                                                    
would be  nice to set a  goal to work on  over the following                                                                    
few years.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  discussed termination studies  and thought                                                                    
without the  studies, the  outmigration would  cause immense                                                                    
liability  for the  state. He  referenced  payments for  the                                                                    
defined benefit plans extending throughout the century.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  acknowledged  that   there  was  a  lot  of                                                                    
information on the slide. He  thought it was a good overview                                                                    
of defined benefits.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:47:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  showed  slide 13,  "Defined  Benefit,"  and                                                                    
commented that AML members were  divided on the question and                                                                    
expressed  concern about  additional  risk that  led to  net                                                                    
pension liability. He shared thoughts  that if the liability                                                                    
was specific to  an employer group, there should  be an opt-                                                                    
in at the  employer level. He thought it  would be important                                                                    
for  employers  to  have  an   ability  to  ring  fence  the                                                                    
liability.  He  knew the  committee  had  discussed how  the                                                                    
defined  benefit measured  up  against defined  contribution                                                                    
plans. He  cited a yearly  AML salary survey  that indicated                                                                    
that  of   64  PERS-employer  respondents,  42   had  Social                                                                    
Security or  the Supplemental Benefits  System (SBS)  and 35                                                                    
had an additional deferred compensation program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  noted that there  were some  groups around                                                                    
the state  that were  in state defined  contribution systems                                                                    
but were not  in Social Security nor the  state's SBS (which                                                                    
was  put in  place of  Social Security.  He opined  that the                                                                    
employees   were  left   at  a   disadvantage  without   the                                                                    
additional benefit.  He thought the situation  was an unfair                                                                    
position for  employees, and suggested that  AML query local                                                                    
governments as to why there  was not participation in one or                                                                    
the other additional systems.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen   offered  that  AML  could   work  to  gain                                                                    
understanding the scale of the  issue could be identified to                                                                    
get a better sense of what was offered.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:51:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen referenced slide 14, "Fiscal Policy,"                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Mandatory Exemptions                                                                                                       
     • Reimbursement according to statute, or -                                                                                 
     •  AARP (national)    "Property  tax  relief should  be                                                                    
     equitable, cost-effective,  and targeted  to homeowners                                                                    
     with  low  and  moderate   incomes  burdened  by  their                                                                    
     property tax bill."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Presumption Trust                                                                                                          
     • Unfunded State-level workers comp presumptions                                                                           
     • $4.6 million in claims since 2011, premiums for                                                                          
     which did not include or account for later                                                                                 
     presumptions.                                                                                                              
     • Provide State reimbursement fund                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  discussed  mandatory exemptions  and  noted                                                                    
that the property  tax relief had been  increasing. He cited                                                                    
that   Petersburg    recently   doubled   the    number   of                                                                    
participants,  which cost  an  estimated  tax collection  of                                                                    
about $500,000. He noted that  the graph on the right showed                                                                    
how  the  exemption  affected communities  differently.  The                                                                    
total  exemptions  were  in  blue,  with  Anchorage  as  the                                                                    
highest.  The  moving  orange  line  denoted  the  ratio  to                                                                    
revenues.  He  mentioned  an increased  number  of  worker's                                                                    
compensation  presumptions. He  thought since  premiums were                                                                    
not collected  for the employees  prior to  the presumption,                                                                    
there  were not  enough  assets to  address  the claims.  He                                                                    
suggested  a  presumption trust  put  forward  by the  state                                                                    
would support the employees.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  turned  to   slide  15,  "Fiscal  Policy                                                                       
Community Assistance,"  and commented that AML  continued to                                                                    
see  an  erosion  of  purchasing   power  of  the  Community                                                                    
Assistance  Program  (CAP).   He  calculated  an  inflation-                                                                    
adjusted change of 984 percent  difference from today and 30                                                                    
years ago. He  identified that when CAP went away  for a few                                                                    
years,   there  were   sales  tax   increases  and   extreme                                                                    
challenges.  He   noted  that   the  funding  was   not  re-                                                                    
capitalized  in  the  currently  proposed  budget,  and  AML                                                                    
advocated for  recapitalization. He  cited that it  was also                                                                    
true that  the fund did  not accrue a return  on investments                                                                    
and was capped at $90 million.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  argued that  CAP was a  good way  to support                                                                    
local governments, and  if it were not  recapitalized in the                                                                    
current  year or  the following  year, it  would reduce  the                                                                    
funding to  $20 million going  out in  FY 25. He  thought it                                                                    
was important  to know that  some communities  were affected                                                                    
to a greater degree than others.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:57:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought the committee had  been supportive                                                                    
of  CAP, and  had  fought hard  for it  over  the years.  He                                                                    
anticipated the topic would come back to the table.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  appreciated Co-Chair Stedman's  comments and                                                                    
the fact  that the committee  and others had worked  to help                                                                    
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen considered slide 16, "Education":                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Increase the BSA and adjust for inflation                                                                                
     • Evaluate statewide required local contribution                                                                           
     • Replace school bond debt reimbursement program                                                                           
     • Implement base allocation for school construction                                                                        
     and major maintenance                                                                                                      
     • Support ability for districts to reduce number of                                                                        
     schools without penalty                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  noted that AML  had a  resolution supporting                                                                    
an increase  to the Base  Student Allocation (BSA),  and the                                                                    
resolution  included reference  to inflation.  He considered                                                                    
the  required   local  contribution,  which   was  inflation                                                                    
proofed.  He explained  that the  contribution increased  as                                                                    
property  values  increased,   and  local  governments  were                                                                    
making up 4 percent more  of total education funding than in                                                                    
previous  years, while  the  states   contribution had  been                                                                    
flat.   He  cited   more  competition   within  the   school                                                                    
construction  and major  maintenance programs.  He mentioned                                                                    
projects  in urban  districts and  greater urban/rural,  and                                                                    
Regional Educational Attendance Area (REAA) conflict.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:00:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop   referenced  major   maintenance,  deferred                                                                    
maintenance,  and  the  capital  list for  new  schools.  He                                                                    
supported more education funding,  whether inside or outside                                                                    
the  BSA. He  mentioned schools  in his  district that  were                                                                    
only able  to fund  maintenance workers  for five  hours per                                                                    
day, and  questioned how major maintenance  would not become                                                                    
further  deferred. He  mentioned the  need to  take care  of                                                                    
educational assets, which could not be done within the BSA.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought the committee  had been  a staunch                                                                    
supporter  of  school  bond debt  reimbursement,  even  when                                                                    
vetoed   by   the   administration.   He   mentioned   major                                                                    
maintenance,  which the  committee had  funded substantially                                                                    
the previous year  before it was reduced by  $70 million. He                                                                    
recognized  the challenge  with  keeping up  with the  major                                                                    
maintenance  funding. He  asserted  that  the committee  had                                                                    
avidly   supported  school   bond  debt   reimbursement  and                                                                    
maintaining the states schools.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson asked what AML's  proposed number was for the                                                                    
BSA. He  thought the  slide indicated that  it was  a little                                                                    
over $600, which was different than other proposed numbers.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen relayed  that AML  did not  have a  proposed                                                                    
number for the BSA, and  the graph on the slide demonstrated                                                                    
the change  in required  local contribution. He  shared that                                                                    
15 percent  of school district  funds were going  towards to                                                                    
maintenance and operations, 15 percent  of the BSA was $894.                                                                    
He  expressed that  he  was looking  for  solutions to  help                                                                    
address deferred maintenance and maintenance issues.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson  asked if AML  would be more supportive  of a                                                                    
group to rewrite the formula.  He thought some would say the                                                                    
educational formula  was more  complicated than  the state's                                                                    
oil and gas tax system.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen relayed  that AML did not have  a position on                                                                    
the matter. He  agreed that the formula  was complicated. He                                                                    
thought the issues were symptomatic  of a formula and system                                                                    
that needed to be better addressed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:04:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  thought  the  formula  roughly  funded  each                                                                    
school  based on  its costs  and thought  the flip  side was                                                                    
that closing a school resulted in  a loss of the funded cost                                                                    
and did not  offer great savings. He questioned  how to fund                                                                    
schools at its  rough cost but get a  windfall after closing                                                                    
a school. He thought there was a mathematical difficulty.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen commented  that he had hoped he  would not be                                                                    
asked  the  question,  but  offered   to  get  back  to  the                                                                    
committee   with   further   information.   He   knew   that                                                                    
communities  had  had  looked  at  repurposing  schools  for                                                                    
different purposes, perhaps with public benefit.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop commented  that  there had  been schools  in                                                                    
rural  districts that  had closed  and  later reopened  when                                                                    
more people moved back to the community.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen displayed  slide  17, "Transportation,"  and                                                                    
explained  that  AML  had  been  working  on  infrastructure                                                                    
recently,  and  specifically transportation.  He  summarized                                                                    
that AML was focused  on federal infrastructure funding, but                                                                    
there  were  matters that  needed  to  be addressed  between                                                                    
local  governments and  the state  regarding transportation.                                                                    
He  mentioned looking  at  efficiencies  and more  effective                                                                    
systems  for  deploying   funds  for  transportation  needs,                                                                    
including   leveraging  local   assets   to  reduce   budget                                                                    
estimates.  He continued  that  AML wanted  to  avoid, at  a                                                                    
local  level, state  requirements  that  added ownership  or                                                                    
maintenance  when funding  was available.  He thought  there                                                                    
should be negotiated processes that  resulted in savings for                                                                    
all parties.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  continued  that  state  indirect  rates  on                                                                    
public transit  pass-through dollars remained an  issue that                                                                    
many  communities  were  challenged by.  He  mentioned  that                                                                    
communities doing transportation projects  had seen the need                                                                    
for   higher  contingency,   which  had   increased  budgets                                                                    
overall. He mentioned the  Municipal Harbor Matching Grants,                                                                    
which he thought was a  great partnership. He discussed work                                                                    
on  regional   planning  and  mentioned   two  and   a  half                                                                    
metropolitan planning  organizations, and the  potential for                                                                    
regional transportation  planning organizations  (RTPOs). He                                                                    
thought it  would require a  change in statute to  allow for                                                                    
RTPOs,  and  mentioned an   RTPO  light   that AML  and  the                                                                    
Department  of  Transportation  and Public  Facilities  were                                                                    
pursuing.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson asked  if AML had considered  creating a port                                                                    
authority since  most communities  were reliant on  one port                                                                    
and one municipality.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen   relayed  that  AML  had   considered  best                                                                    
practices  in relation  to port  authorities,  and had  also                                                                    
discussed  the need  for an  Alaska port  strategy with  the                                                                    
maritime  administration. He  shared that  he would  love to                                                                    
see a  more cohesive understanding of  how ports intersected                                                                    
and how ports would develop in the future.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:08:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen highlighted slide 18, "Energy":                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     1. Renewable Energy Fund                                                                                                   
            Ensure adequately funded for community-level                                                                        
          projects                                                                                                              
     2. PCE                                                                                                                     
          • Reimburse municipal investments that bring down                                                                     
          cost below PCE subsidy threshold                                                                                      
     3. Bulk Fuel Loan                                                                                                          
          • Increasing cap and lowering rates                                                                                   
     4. Grid Resilience                                                                                                         
          • State funding from IIJA to support local                                                                            
          utilities                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  thanked the legislature for  looking at ways                                                                    
to  reduce   the  costs  of  energy   in  many  communities,                                                                    
including  recent changes  to  the  Power Cost  Equalization                                                                    
(PCE) Fund.  He noted that  AML had a resolution  in support                                                                    
of increasing funding  in the Community Energy  Fund to make                                                                    
funds available for community  -level projects. He mentioned                                                                    
bond debt  that was not  reimbursable below the  PCE subsidy                                                                    
threshold. He  mentioned the current  bulk fuel loan  cap of                                                                    
$750,00 and  quantified   that the  same purchase  two years                                                                    
prior would now need $1 million.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop noted  that the  Senate was  working on  the                                                                    
issue  of energy  as  well, and  was glad  to  see that  the                                                                    
governor had put together a working group.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:11:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen looked  at  slide  19, "Strengthening  Local                                                                    
Governments," showed a screenshot  of the states 'Operations                                                                    
and  Maintenance Best  Practice Dashboard,   which reflected                                                                    
some  of the  smaller communities  that could  be considered                                                                    
rural  or  disadvantaged.  He   wanted  to  see  communities                                                                    
improve overall in  terms of best practices, and  he did not                                                                    
think  the  dashboard  reflected  the  improvement  everyone                                                                    
hoped  for.  He  did  not   think  there  had  been  a  real                                                                    
difference  in best  practices scores  in  the last  decade,                                                                    
which   he  thought   was  concerning.   He  wanted   better                                                                    
partnerships with  AML, the state, and  communities in order                                                                    
to   improve   conditions   of  governance   and   fiduciary                                                                    
responsibilities. He mentioned the  test scores that related                                                                    
to water and wastewater  improvements and state funding, and                                                                    
thought  the information  spoke broadly  to the  communities                                                                    
that  were  struggling even  before  the  pandemic and  also                                                                    
after. He relayed  that working to improve  the condition of                                                                    
communities and  the ability to  meet state standards  was a                                                                    
priority of AML.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson  thought that with  $2 billion in  IIJA funds                                                                    
to address the  issue, the slide might not  reflect the best                                                                    
metrics to continue to use as the funds were disbursed.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  thought the  slide was  a reflection  of the                                                                    
193  communities.   He  represented  communities   that  had                                                                    
wastewater and  water treatment plants  that had  been built                                                                    
 pre-oil  and  were in  as good of  condition as  when first                                                                    
built.  He  pondered  systems  being  built  that  were  not                                                                    
requested and were over-built.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:14:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Andreassen  addressed   slide  20,   "AML      Pulling                                                                    
Together":                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • Increasing collaboration with State agencies:                                                                            
          • Agreement in place to facilitate greater                                                                            
        intergovernmental cooperation and benefits                                                                              
          • DOT&PF planning  support implementation of                                                                          
          regional planning organizations                                                                                       
     • Investment into direct support for strengthening                                                                         
     governance and financials                                                                                                  
          • Build out model of providing shared services                                                                        
          for communities                                                                                                       
     • More attention to revenue collection and compliance                                                                      
     with local codes and law                                                                                                   
          • Sales tax code updates and management, short                                                                        
          term rentals, etc.                                                                                                    
          • Proactive support for funding needs of                                                                              
          disadvantaged communities                                                                                             
          • Bundled applications for heavy equipment,                                                                           
          public safety capital needs                                                                                           
         • Grant writing and technical assistance                                                                               
     • Shared procurement of services for project                                                                               
     management, quality improvements                                                                                           
     •    Health    insurance,    retirement,    investment,                                                                    
     unemployment,    leadership   development,    liquidity                                                                    
     analysis, federal compliance, etc.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  mentioned  AMLs   work on  the  ARSSTC.  He                                                                    
mentioned  a memorandum  of agreement  with DOT  to work  on                                                                    
transportation   issues   and   support   local   government                                                                    
engagement,  which he  thought  was a  model  for all  state                                                                    
agencies.  He relayed  that AML  wanted  to see  communities                                                                    
that were  successful in revenue collection  and compliance.                                                                    
He asserted  that AML was  a different kind of  partner than                                                                    
it was five years previously  and could support the state in                                                                    
meeting the needs of communities.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  thanked Mr. Andreassen  and AML  for working                                                                    
to connect communities and keep  from leaving grant funds on                                                                    
the table.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop discussed the agenda for the following day.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:18:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:18 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

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